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27th-Feb-2008 09:37 pm
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First post! Let's get stuff started off with something fun: intros and personal fanon! Go ahead and comment in this post to introduce yourself to the comm as a whole - we want to know who you are!

I'm Scone and I'm one of the friendly neighborhood mods, a fan through New Who but an Old Who fan as well (Third <3) Personally I absolutely love ALL Doctor/Master combinations, including Theta/Koschei on up.

In fact, one piece of my personal fanon involves Theta/Koschei... personally I think that while they were (obviously) having smex in Academy, it probably wasn't very good. In fact, it was probably rather awkward, too-earnest, somewhat typical teenage sex, wherein Theta tried very much to make Koschei feel good and the other boy in turn tried very hard to get Theta to want him as much as Koschei wanted him. That was kind of a complicated sentence but there you go. No whips or chains or D/s kinksex... just them and the seeds of all their amazingly ridiculously complicated issues.

So there you go! What's your personal fanon?
Comments 
28th-Feb-2008 05:01 am (UTC) - Hey All! Another Friendly Mod-Face Intro
Greetings, Gentlebeings!

Wait, I'm not Andrew Burt at all. I'm x_los / x_losfic, and I'm happy to be here, on this cleanly formatted page. Hopefully soon to be home to some Actual Layoutstuffz (looking at you, blinkidybah and don't think I don't see you trying to hide in the corner, gothic_hamlet)!

I see the love of blinkidybah and raise 'I wrote Survival fic that made her so very, very sad.'

If you have a similarly embarrassing Doctor/Master fandom secret you'd like absolved of, or you'd simply like us to revel in you Dorkitude, now is the time to come clean!

My fanon would include :

* the Doctor tops occasionally (not the Most Common Denominator of their sex life, but a statistically significant portion of the time)

* the Master is a seekrit!excellent cook-- obsessive about the quality of his food, precise, skilled, really knowledgeable about molecular gastronomy, a la this and this

* the Doctor is in some way responsible for the Master as we know him-- not to be an apologist for the Master's actions, but at some point the Doctor was faced with a choice between (1) rising about the situation and being compassionate and forgiving or (2) running screaming from Koschei and Commitment, thus committing a giant betrayal of the sort the other person involved never really eradicates from their consciousness. The Doctor chose Option 2, probably to the detriment of universal well-being.
20th-Aug-2008 07:20 pm (UTC) - Re: Hey All! Another Friendly Mod-Face Intro
Hey there! ^_^ I'm on here under another nick, but this is my fanfic writing lj. Yes, I am a bad, bad person for having more than one lj but probably not the only one.

Fav pairing is Ten!Doctor/Simm!Master, but also very fond of Three/Delgado.
28th-Feb-2008 12:30 pm (UTC)
...I'm just wondering why on earth we need another Doctor/Master community when there isn't enough stuff on the existing and overlapping ones to begin with. Why scatter the fannishness even further and make stuff even harder to find? I'm just genuinely scratching my head here. What's wrong with slash_lords? (I could think of a few things, but am curious).
28th-Feb-2008 01:11 pm (UTC)
Because we wanted to :)
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28th-Feb-2008 12:59 pm (UTC)
HAY WHEN DID THIS COMM HAPPEN? >XP
28th-Feb-2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
Last night. Some bitchez go to sleep waaaaaay too early for the rock. Now where's your personal canon, woman?
28th-Feb-2008 05:39 pm (UTC)
Ah, I see you guys edited the profile--thank you. That clarified things *a lot*. Makes much more sense now.

Still, I'm getting a feel that it's a bit of an "us and our mates" thing in here, so, eh. Not v. welcoming, so... yeah. PROMISE to STFU now.
28th-Feb-2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
All right... by way of introduction, I'm Regan and apparently another mod here! I'm like the less talented version of blinkidybah and x_los, with less writing and more Glitzybush. I also have a more or less constant flow of Athena-like crack coming forth from my head.

For personal canon, I give a big thumbs-up to mindfuckery, as well as anything relating to just how much of a giant geek-race the Time Lords are. Bad fashion, silly dancing, looms (sorry, x_los!), and all-around dorking out in the name of science are well-loved by me.

Edited at 2008-02-28 08:29 pm (UTC)
28th-Feb-2008 10:23 pm (UTC)
I'm like the less talented version of blinkidybah and x_los,

Oh bs, your fanart makes me SO happy. Unless it's Glitzybush. Then it makes me WEEP.


*eye roll* I am not anti-loom. I just think procreation in the traditional manner is probably still possible, and that the Doctor IS half-human (with like, mum Verity having been, I dunno, a WWII nurse or something) and had a HORDE of sisters, so he's comfy with a batch of human British female companions.

But yey to the dorkitude of the TLs! And Doing Stuff For Science.
2nd-Mar-2008 02:18 am (UTC)
Hiya! draegonhawke sent me over :) Said it might be fun. Mind if I pop in? I don't write as much as I want to any more (no time, ugh) but I do want to see more classic stuff… even if I don't know as much about that as I want to either.
2nd-Mar-2008 06:40 am (UTC)
Happy to have you! Welcome aboard! Any thoughts on what particular classic stuff, as per proposed challenge? We are perfectly willing to heed popular demand! As in, all two people thus far demanding. ;p

Oh man, if you ever want classic eps/info thereon, just say the word, for that can totally be arranged.
3rd-Mar-2008 11:15 am (UTC)
Hi...nice to meet you all. I'm very new to the fandom - I've only been watching since December 2007, but in that time I've managed to devour all of NewWho and rather a lot of classic. The Doctor/Master stuff in NewWho is what sold me on the fandom in general, but I'm now developing an appreciation for classic Masters...Ainley and Delgado, of course, but even Melkor!Master and Roberts!Master.

Personal fanon #1: The Master has always been obsessed with the end of the universe. That's what he saw as a child. He realized that one day all life would end, along with all possibility for life. The only way to escape this is to keep going back in time. So he knew he would become renegade young, because that way he could live forever. When the Doctor snatched the TARDIS and went renegade without him it was the worst possible betrayal, because it felt like the Doctor leaving him to die. As for the Doctor's decision to leave the Master, it wasn't because he thought the Master was evil, or because he didn't love him. It was more because the Doctor just needed to be free, and he loved the Master too much to ever really be free if they were together.

Or, in other words: The Master fears death more than anything else. The Doctor fears being trapped more than anything else.

Personal fanon #2: The Master takes on bits of personality from the bodies he snatches and the people he becomes - Tremas, The Portreeve, Bruce, Professor Yana. This partly accounts for why he's so nuts. In particular, his desire for structure comes from Tremas and the Portreve, his obsession with pop culture comes from Bruce and his love for the Toclafane (which is real, I think) comes from Professor Yana. (His love for the Toclafane also builds on his obsession with the end of the world, which is why it's so powerful.)

Anyway, so far I have not written fic in this fandom. At least not anything good enough to post. If I do write, though, it will probably be Master-related.

3rd-Mar-2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
Wow I really like that interpretation -- it makes it just a bit tragic, the Master feeling like he's been left to die instead of just being dumped. The body snatching is interesting too, and I could see how it's made him more and more crazy over time.

You should post! We want to be a really supportive, friendly comm, so if you're looking for beta'ing or just general feedback we'd be glad to help ^_^
3rd-Mar-2008 01:27 pm (UTC) - OMG!!!
That icon! ::is ded of the laughter and teh squee::

(I'm referring to the 'homicidal ex' one btw - just making that clear since there are now a lot of icons between me and it *g*)

Edited at 2008-03-03 01:28 pm (UTC)
3rd-Mar-2008 11:37 pm (UTC) - Re: OMG!!!
Heee thanks! I didn't make it, sadly, but it's still utterly hilarious.
3rd-Mar-2008 01:53 pm (UTC) - Yo
Hi everyone... here for the intro (as requested). I'm an old fan (literally (o:) been around forever, love old school and new, especially Ten who I love to slash with Simm's TM.

Personal canon - oh man, it is huge and detailed. I'm pro-loom and don't much care for the half-human thing because I already believe that the TL's were the original humans who've genetically engineered themselves to sterile perfection and are quite smug about it. The Earth is a TL project to see if humanity will eventually evolve-itself into Time-Lordism - or not (and thou shalt not interfere, Doctor!). I think they put us here, that Theta and Koschei were involved from the start and that's why they're both so fascinated by humanity and drawn to this planet.

I love all things TD and TM, Theta and Koschei - they're my OTP; they have to have been lovers, don't they? I haven't seen that much hatred and bitterness between two people since I saw Boy George and Marilyn interviewed about each other. (o:

Personal kinks? Not that many, I'm ashamed to say - I'm intrigued by how the names 'Master' and 'Doctor' came about. Love the mind-fucking...

I usually write in another fandom, but I'm being plagued by a Theta/Koschei bunny that I'm going to have to write sometime soon before I go quite mad.

Anyway, that's me; happy to be here.
3rd-Mar-2008 04:23 pm (UTC) - Re: Yo
they have to have been lovers, don't they? I haven't seen that much hatred and bitterness between two people since I saw Boy George and Marilyn interviewed about each other.

God you're so right. I was watching something with Three and Delgado, Frontier in Space actually, the other day and wondering "but how do you read this if you don't assume they're exes?" How do entirely non-slashy people deal with the utter pissed-off ex-husband vibe of those two? What are your beats and objectives there if you're assuming they aren't still mentally diving out their video collection?

I usually write in another fandom, but I'm being plagued by a Theta/Koschei bunny that I'm going to have to write sometime soon before I go quite mad.

You know, since the other person who voiced an opinion re: the challenge question wanted Theta/Koschei era, I think that's probabl what our next fic challenge is going to be. You should totally write this and submit it for that. ;p I too have a bunny for them. And you know bunnies-- they breed. I wouldn't mind seeing more Academy fic in the world!
3rd-Mar-2008 04:59 pm (UTC)
Hullo everybody.

And now for a short introduction...

I've been watching Dr Who for ages though I've only been following the fiction communities since the re-start.

I tend to believe that most fiction is made or broken on the strength of its villains. Which makes Doctor Who such a wonderful sandbox to play in really, since The Master is one of the most interesting and dynamically written villains in Television.

While I haven't written anything in Who Fandom yet (it is near the top of the FanFiction ToDo List), I would be happy to beta things for people.


Anyway, this seems like a cute little creative community and I'm looking forward to hanging around it.
4th-Mar-2008 04:30 am (UTC)
I've been watching Dr Who for ages though I've only been following the fiction communities since the re-start.

Huh. I've honestly no idea whether those coms are new/were born during the new series or long before. I assume a little of column A, little of column B?

Which makes Doctor Who such a wonderful sandbox to play in really, since The Master is one of the most interesting and dynamically written villains in Television.

*agrees completely*

I would be happy to beta things for people.

Oh, that can be arranged.
4th-Mar-2008 02:23 am (UTC)
Hello! I found my way here thanks to x_los, who asked me over for my meta (an invitation to talk? Who can resist?). I come by Who via growing up with it. Tom Baker's spooky blue time vortex with accompanying haunting theme music is one of my very earliest memories. Old and new, every regeneration (even those with Coats of DOOOOOOOOM!), I love my Doctor. :)

Embarrassing fangirl fact: From the moment I learned you could make your own ringtones, I wanted a cell phone so I could make it sound like the TARDIS.

As for the Doctor and the Master, I haven't precisely slashed them all my life, but I always suspected there was something up with those two. They have become my only OTP ever, which kinda surprised me because I'm not usually about the OTP, but...well, god, look at them. Anyway, somebody above mentioned their love of mindfuckery, and I'm down with that. I also love, probably beyond all things, the Doctor and the Master getting their geek on together. I suspect that's how they really have sex. Other than that, I have no personal fanon-canon, because people keep coming up with such wonderful ones and I don't want to discriminate against any of them.

Cheers!
4th-Mar-2008 04:26 am (UTC)
Embarrassing fangirl fact: From the moment I learned you could make your own ringtones, I wanted a cell phone so I could make it sound like the TARDIS.

As my friends know from my frequent bitching re: this: I have wanted that SO HARD! Did you ever find one?! I'm half-way to finding something that lets me record my own and holding it up to my computer and recording it myself!

the Doctor and the Master getting their geek on together.

I totally think they think each other's science is way hot. And Delgado at least Really Really Wants to Collaborate on His Experiments. Those two probably attend famous experiments/lectures and think that was just the hottest date evahr. "Wanna go see Bohr again? We can sit in the back row and neck a bit!"
4th-Mar-2008 07:20 am (UTC)
Hello, I'm Dero, who finally got off her lazy arse to reply to this.



... I have a lot of personal fanon. A lot. I have so much that I can't really think of most of it, then again I am posting at 2 AM. Though, in my head, I always figured, in Academy, as Theta being the more dominant one of the two, based on how the Doctor was during Hartnell's era. Koschei was a bit more subdued, maybe a bit more submissive, and had a bit of a streak where he wanted to be on equal to Theta or otherwise gain his approval. As well, I always figured even then, Koschei was a little unhinged, but it showed in a slowly developing obsession with everything Theta did and got involved with.

Or something. D:
4th-Mar-2008 02:27 pm (UTC)
A lot. I have so much that I can't really think of most of it, then again I am posting at 2 AM.

I know, it's weird typing it out! I have so much personal fandom, and then I sat down to look at the screen and just went "Um. Thoughts. I had them, once..."

I always figured even then, Koschei was a little unhinged, but it showed in a slowly developing obsession with everything Theta did and got involved with.

See, I really like your interpretation, but I think I'd need to see a fic like that to sort of work it through in my mind. It's so against the standard cliche of their academy relationship, but is seems really realistic to me.
5th-Mar-2008 02:12 am (UTC)
Hi! I'm Chaos, and I'm one of your friendly neighbourhood mostly-lurkers. I had the good fortune to fall in love with Doctor/Master a few months (maybe less) before we found out he was going to be back in Season 3, which meant I got to hunt down and read every single piece of old-school Doctor/Master I could find and then didn't have to wait all that long before the new-school Doctor/Master started flooding in.
I love them all. Still haven't watched the old-school Master-episodes, though - must do that, one of these days.

I don't have any stable personal fanon as such - anything I think of promptly splits into multiple timelines - but I usually believe that the Doctor and the Master belong to each other, not just the Doctor to the Master or vice versa. It usually shows up as the Master owning the Doctor, because the idea of being owned upsets the Master almost as much the thought of owning someone upsets the Doctor (except in the universes where it doesn't). Depending on which one of them worked this out first (if either of them did) and how they reacted, there are all kinds of interesting possibilities.
I sometimes believe that when the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey he destroyed it in such a way that it never existed in the first place - which means that the Doctor is a paradox, as is the Master.
I have a soft spot for Masters with non-matching Doctors, for AUs, for AUs crossed over with non-AUs, for crack, for extreme kink, and for happy endings.
5th-Mar-2008 06:31 am (UTC)
Still haven't watched the old-school Master-episodes, though - must do that, one of these days.

I feel like facilitating other people's old-skoolin' so that I can have massive conversations that go something like:

"WTF was up w/ Time Monster?!"
"I KNO RITE?!" x 20

I wonder if people would want links behind an f-locked post to all ye olde schoole D/M eps on the youtubes/Veoh? I'll think about it, at any rate. We were gonna do 'Classic D/M Who in 15 Minutes' style things a la cleolinda anyway. I just need that opportunity to sporffle at 'that time Master tried to seduce a woman and epic!failed' as a group.

Doctor and the Master belong to each other, not just the Doctor to the Master or vice versa

*loves it*

anything I think of promptly splits into multiple timelines

Gah, so true!

I have a soft spot for Masters with non-matching Doctors

I LOVE this, why don't we get more? (*v. quiet* And why will no one write me Delgado!Master/Other Doctors (though there IS that one six fic)? He's so freaking adorable!)
5th-Mar-2008 05:50 am (UTC) - intro post <3
Hi! I'm Chloe and I came here via x_los. This community seems spunky, kind, and above all, clever. I've been looking for that sort of "home" in the Whoniverse and you folks all strike me as lovely.

That said, I'm still developing a personal fanon in terms of Who. I've been in Fandom™ at large for a long time and I've seen Doctor Who all over the Interweb forever, but only with the inception of Torchwood did I sit down and watch all of New Who and quite a bit of the 5th Doctor. I like the decorative vegetable. In case it wasn't obvious, I am seriously in love with "Time Crash."

As far as the Doctor and his Master go, I love Simm!Master because I think he's a perfect juxtaposition to Tennant's Doctor. His insanity and hyper-sexuality are brilliantly opposed and occasionally reflected in Ten and that's, well, that's the kind of shit I can get behind. I love seeing that Master remind the Doctor of just how similar they are, could grow to be, or once were. Long before we meet Simm!Master , the Doctor terrifies Donna with destruction and snow while PM Harold Saxon watches....and that's just perfect.

I'm also giddy when things get bollocksed up somehow and previous incarnations of the Doctor or the Master run into each other. Especially together. Have I mentioned my love of "Time Crash" already? Badum-cha!

Wow, I've said too much. So, sup! Send me your fic, I will beta your butt off. It'll be awesome. I might even knit you something. Black gloves, anyone?



Edited at 2008-03-05 05:51 am (UTC)
5th-Mar-2008 06:48 am (UTC) - Re: intro post <3
the Doctor terrifies Donna with destruction and snow while PM Harold Saxon watches....and that's just perfect.

Okay, so there was a good fic with Saxon kind of getting off on that lil genocide and thinking of it as their mutual project: I can't remember who did it, which is annoying, b/c I think it may well be like, someone on my flist, but if you haven't read that you SHOULD... also he was Minister of Defense and not PM at the moment and god I am now THAT kind of nerd, aren't I. Full stop.

I might even knit you something. Black gloves, anyone?

Man, knitting the 4th scarf takes for freaking ever. But knitting anything=awesomeface!

Hey, know how you like:

* military uniforms
* steam punkery
* captains with swagger
* sub-textual homosexual desire
?

I love the celery off Five, but it seems to me like you and Three should also perhaps be introduced, get some coffee sometime, see where it goes. Mind of Evil or Frontier in Space slash my face clean off.

Ew. Ew. Am never making word play again.

...why do I sound in everybody's comments like I'm trying to pimp Three? I like him but not to the exclusion of the others. I am not the Three-yenta! I hope. :(
5th-Mar-2008 09:36 pm (UTC)
*peeks in* Heyas~

Well, uhm! I'm Kisha and let's see...I've been watching Doctor Who since the series was revived and it was only las summer, after loving the Master so much, that I made a conscious effort to go back and watch old stuff. I've now seen most everything from Five up till now and parts of earlier Doctors. I was very happy to see that the Doctor and Master have always been ridiculously slashy together (and I often think of them as soulmates, actually). I love them because they're such a deep pairing, just very unique and complex and horrible but wonderful, too. I like them in all forms, too and mixing and matching Doctors and Masters. I do have a soft spot for Academy era things and the ever wonderful 'the last ten minutes of Last of the Time Lords didn't quite go like that' AU. I also really really love writing about them.

Oooh, my fanon. I have a lot of fanon. Well, off the top of my head for Academy stuff, I think Theta spoke with a rather slurred, lazy speech and somewhat messy while Koschei was very proper. Koschei's family wanted him as the next president, so he was always groomed and polite and proper and that was part of what drew Koschei to him, that difference. Theta's brilliance was what kept him.

I also think Theta was rather insensitive - not that he didn't love Koschei, as he did, but that he often took for granted that Koschei would stick around - and Koschei in turn took for granted that he and Theta would always be together. I think that they stopped being friends because at some point, Theta gave into his family's wishes and settled down into Time Lord society and he and Koschei had a nasty fight about it. And since I think Theta took the more dominating role in their friendship, Koschei tried to prove himself as a separate and different person - one who was fine without the Doctor - by going out into the universe and making a name for himself. Just, well. It wasn't the best reputation and didn't endear him to the Doctor.

I also happen to think that the Doctor and the Master can, in fact, work out something to have a sort of semi-balance back again but it would require them both to stop being gits and both to make sacrifices. In other words, I doubt it'll ever happen on the show but fic makes my day.

(also, I shall pretend I wasn't a div and posted that correctly)
6th-Mar-2008 04:41 am (UTC)
Hi! I too love all the "not getting shot like that" AUs, though I wish a lot of them weren't so long personally. I'm impatient xD

I am a bit in love with dominant Theta tbh. It's not something you see much. And of course Koschei was just trying to get the Doctor to really notice him. All those dead humans weren't going to notice themselves ;)
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